外媒:为什么中国在经济和外交政策方面如此具有……?

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【译者注:本文译自Quora,一个类似于中国的知乎的美国问答SNS网站,用户偏向于受过高等教育的人群和社会精英群体,例如奥巴马,希拉里,林书豪等都在上面回答过问题,英语是其官方语言,不支持汉语,目前中国大陆也可以访问。】

外文地址:https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Chi ... ang-188?srid=uT8t3#

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Quesion:Why is China so aggressive in its economic and foreign policy?
问题:为什么中国在经济和外交政策方面如此具有……?
China claims territory of almost each of its neighbour. It hasn't even left alone the South China Sea and has gone ahead to construct artificial islands for that reason. It is flooding the markets with its products by subsidizing exports in order to destroy competitors and economies of other countries.
中国几乎与它的每一个邻居都有领土争端。由于它的侵略性,它甚至不放过南海,在建造人工岛上远远走在其他国家前面。中国通过对出口进行补贴来进行市场倾销,以达到摧毁竞争者和其他国家的经济的目的。
What lead to this sudden aggressive stance of China which a few decades back was just a poor developing nation?
什么导致了这个前几十年还是一个贫穷的发展中的国家,如今突然立场如此具有侵略性?

【译者注:选取了一个高赞回答翻译,答主貌似是在日本的中国留学生】
Answer By Yang, students in Tokyo
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Yang(东京留学生)的回答:
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1. In 1993, That year I was born.
The United States claimed to have obtain the intelligence that accused China“YinHe” cargo ship to transport the production of chemical weapons to Iran,And threatened to impose sanctions on china. At the same time, the USA sent two warships and five helicopters and detained that cargo ship.
After 33 days , the last box of goods were checked in“YinHe” ship , but without any chemical weapons were found.Even so,the USA government hold a tough attitude, refuse to make any apologize to China.
When a chinese diplomats talk about this matter in a TV show,He said the word of “humiliation” 17 times in total.
1. 1993年,我出生那一年。
美国宣称获得情报,指责中国“银河”号货船运送化学武器到伊朗,并且威胁制裁中国。同时,美国派遣两艘军舰和五架直升机扣押了货船。
33天之后,“银河”号最后一箱货物检查完毕,但是没有找到任何化学武器。即使这样,美国政府依然持强硬态度,拒绝向中国道歉。
当时一个中国外交官在电视上谈到此事时,他一共说了17次“窝囊”。



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2. In 1996,That year I was 3 years old.
There was a military crisis in the Taiwan Strait. In TV news, Chinese saw huge military exercises,But we all know China was very weak at that time.Many family began to buy food and stored at home in case of war.
Later, the USA sent two aircraft carriers.The Chinese army can do nothing at that time. So this incident ended in humiliation once again.
2. 1996年,那一年我3岁。
台湾海峡发生了一场军事危机。在电视新闻上,中国人看到了规模庞大的军事演习,但是我们都知道那时中国还很弱。许多家庭开始购买食物和贮备物资以防战争。
不久后,美国派出了两艘航空母舰,中国军队那时毫无办法。所以这次事件又以耻辱结束。



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3. In 1999,That year I was 6 years old.
On May 7, 1999,NATO's American B-2 bombers fired three missiles that destroyed the Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia. It killed three Chinese journalists on the spot and more than 10 people were injured.Later the USA government announced that this incident was really a mistake because use of wrong map.
At incident conference,The NATO Secretary drop a hint to audience that this was not a mistake,He made a face deliberately.This is a cute face like a sword engraved in Chinese heart.
3. 1999年,那一年我6岁。
1999年5月7日,北约的美国B-2轰炸机发射了3枚导弹摧毁了中国驻南联盟大使馆,当场杀害了3名中国记者,十几个人受伤。随后美国政府宣称这个事故是一个误会,因为使用了错误的地图。
在事故调查发布会上,北约秘书长暗示观众这不是一个误会,他做了一个意味深长的表情,这个可爱的表情就像用一把剑刻在了中国人的心里。




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4. In 2008,That year I was 15 years old.
Beijing Olympic Games held successfully,At the opening ceremony, when our five-star red flag raised, countless Chinese people burst into tears.
At that time, I knew my country were stronger.
4. 2008年,那一年我15岁。
北京奥运成功举办,在开幕式上,当我们的五星红旗升起时,无数的中国人流下了热泪。
那时,我知道我的国家在变得强大起来。



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5. In 2016,That year I was 23 years old.
This is my answer to this question.
Why is China so “aggressive” in its economic and foreign policy?
Picture text:I have endured for so many years, just waiting for an opportunity.I am working so hard not want to prove I’m so great.I just want to tell others, I must get back what I have lost.
5. 2016年,这一年我23岁。
这就是我的答案。
为什么中国在经济和外交政策方面如此具有“侵略性”?
图片文字:“我忍了三年,就是在等一个机会。我要争一口气不是为了证明我了不起。而是要告诉人家,我失去的东西一定要拿回来。”

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【译者注:评论主要选取外国人的一些评论,因为这个答案下面的大部分评论被中国人占领了。】
Jeremy M. Thompson 30 votes
Thanks for this answer. I stand with you in solidarity. Climb your mountain of success!
谢谢回答。我坚决支持你们,登上你们成功的巅峰!

Alex Russo 39 votes
Thank you for the great answer, I do hope people in the west would be more understanding now, thought I doubt it. I find it ironic how the west claims the Chinese are brainwashed by propaganda while in truth the Chinese understand both sides of the story, while people in the west are (usually) quite one sided. They tend to strongly believe that China is being all "Aggressive!!!" Or that China is a big bad bully. (I know not all think this way, but hey, the vast majority do seem to.)
谢谢你精彩的回答,我确实希望西方人如今能更理解中国,但是实际不然。我发现讽刺的是,西方宣称中国人被宣传洗脑,但是实际上中国人了解双方的故事,但是西方人(通常)只了解一个方面。他们严重倾向于相信中国一直“有侵略性”!!!或者中国是一个巨大的恶霸。(我知道不是所有西方人都这么想,但是,嘿,大多数似乎是这么想的。)
I understand where they are coming from, and why what the western media says can be so convincing, but I just want to say- who's the one brainwashed by propaganda now? It isn't too hard to do a little research and try to un derstand different points of view. You don't even have to ageee, simply seeking to understand is enough.
我知道他们来自哪儿,以及为什么西方媒体说得那么令人信服,但是我只想说,现在谁才是被宣称洗脑的一方?做一点调查去了解不同的观点,一点都不难。你甚至都不用赞同哪种观点,仅仅试图了解一下就够了。
P. S. I'm not saying China isn't being aggressive, some actions are slightly extreme, but you'll be surprised by how the western media manipulates it to become so much more.
P. S. 我不是说中国不具有侵略性,他们有些做法些微的有些极端,但是你会惊奇于,西方媒体如何把这种些微的极端操纵成非常离谱。

Triou Ye 5 votes(回复Alex Russo)
One thing to be added, English in China is a compulsory course since primary school, that provides us a chance to know the both sides, but… On your side, it seems not many people know Chinese. I think this is also a factor that causes the difference.
有一件事要补充的是,英语在小学就是中国的必修课程,这给我们提供了一个机会去了解事情的两方面,但是…,在你们那一边,似乎没有很多人懂中文。我想这也是造成差异的一个因素。

Triou Ye 2 votes(回复Alex Russo)
Thank you man, I had terrible experiences when explaining such political topics to westerns but being called brainwashed…it's tiring…
谢谢你,我有过向西方人解释有关政治话题时但被西方人说我被洗脑的痛苦经历…真累…

Jack Zhang (回复Triou Ye)
We don't need to explain that, we just prove it.
我们无需解释,我们只要证明就行了。

Steven Williams(回复Alex Russo)
This is nonsense. People are just as dumb all over the world and eat up anything they're told.
你在胡说。世界上的人还没有笨到别人说什么就信什么。

Joe Lee 7 votes
I still remember that year when America bombed our Embassy, and that time I was at Primary school, the Chinese people could do nothing except protest. When recalled this event, I can’t help downing tears, it’s really a humiliation, we need to be stronger, and get back what we have lost. And China is on the way to revival.
我依然记得那年美国轰炸我们大使馆,那时我正在上小学,中国人除了抗议什么也不能做。当我回忆起这件事时,我眼泪不禁流了下来,这实在是奇耻大辱。我们必须更强大,然后拿回我们失去的东西,中国正在复兴的道路上。

Matthew Steinberg 3 votes
I understand that China has suffered humiliation for centuries at the hands of western powers..... most recently with the USA on the international stage. However, I don't think that playing this "victim card" that "we must reclaim what is ours" will end well. Everyone will lose with this type of superiority complex and anger in national sentiment. I think a fantastic example of a country that had this type of angry and nationalistic attitude was the Third Reich. The chinese I think have every right to be angry about the past... but I don't think that focusing on past humiliation with an emphasis on vengeance will lead to any true victory over anyone; Rather, I'd like to see China integrate politically with the rest of the world and become a constructive member in the international community. What I feel that we have seen too often is that China is just as nationalistic and self-interest driven as the USA. I'll be the first one to criticize the USA's international political strategy, but the Chinese's attitude is not particularly beneficial to anyone. It's just flat out manipulation.
我理解中国最近几个世纪里在西方的强权下遭受过羞辱...近段时间在世界舞台上大多数是被美国羞辱。然而,我并不认为扮演”我们失去的东西一定要拿回来“这种“受害人角色“会是一个好的结果。在国家情感上老是带着这种复杂的优越感和愤怒,每一个人都会输。我想最好的一个国家的例子就是,带着愤怒和民族主义态度的第三帝国(指希特勒统治下的德国)。我想每一个中国人都有权利为过去发生的事情愤怒... 但是我不认为盯着过去的耻辱,强调复仇会给任何人带来任何真正的胜利。当然啦,我乐意看到中国与世界上其他国家在政治上成为一体,变成国际社会上一个有建设性的成员。我感觉我经常看到的是中国只是和美国一样,受国家主义和自我利益至上驱动。我会做第一个批评美国国际政治政策的人,但是中国人这样的态度对任何人都没有好处。你说的这个只是赤裸裸的煽动人心。

Jackie Fall32 votes
When USA attacked China’s embassy,i was 9-year-old,I still remember my dad sat on bed with smoking,tears in his eyes,he said repeatedly:”Lagging behind leaves one vulnerable to attacks!”
当美国袭击中国大使馆时,那年我9岁,我依然记得我爸爸坐在床上抽烟,眼泪在眼睛里打转,他不断地说:”落后就要挨打!“

Kushal Chittam 3 votes
I hope lot more Chinese join Quora and learn the bullshit they're fed by their media and the government. They'll need to stop defending their bullying by playing a victim card and justifying as if it's China's right to do so now that they're mighty and powerful. As one of the comments mentioned below they need to learn from what happened to Japan and not imitate them. To realize this is foolish you need not have a 3000 years of glorious history and wisdom, even a child can identify it.
我希望越来越多的中国人加入Quora,了解到他们媒体和政府告诉他们的都是胡扯。他们需要停止扮演受害人的角色来为他们的霸凌行为辩护,弄得好像这样做是中国的权利一样,他们这样做只是因为他们现在强大而有力量。正如下面评论提到的那样,他们需要了解日本发生了什么,并且不要模仿他们。你不需要3000年的光荣历史和智慧就可以了解到,这么做是愚蠢的,哪怕一个孩子都可以分辨。

Sailing0505(回复Kushal Chittam)
I agree with you.because hate blinded eyes.
我同意你,因为仇恨会让人盲目。

Billal Ahmed 30 votes
Salute from Pakistan to his big brother China
巴基斯坦人向中国大兄弟致敬。

Triou Ye 1 vote (回复Billal Ahmed)
Hello Pak friend
你好,巴基斯坦朋友

Siddhant Naidu 17 votes
I agree, it's not just US, the entire west treated China that way. But the Chinese waited for all these years, only to rise resurgent and strong. And it's not just a recent phenomenon, back in the colonial times the foreign powers waged wars on China. Even when Japan was invading China, the league of nations ignored repeated calls by China for help. China being aggressive towards these nations is justified, but the same doesn't hold true for China's behavior towards India, with which it shares more in common than probably any other nation. India too was oppressed by foreign powers, it was also treated like trash by the west. China is doing the same thing with India what the western nations did to it.
我同意,不仅是美国,整个西方世界都这样对待中国。但是中国等了这么多年,只是为了复兴和强大。这不只是最近才有的现象,殖民时代的时候西方强权就对中国发动过战争。甚至在日本侵略中国时,当时的国际联盟无视中国不断请求帮助的声音。中国现在对这些国家有侵略性是合理正当的,但是同样的事中国对印度做就不对了,和其他国家相比,印度可能是和中国遭遇最相似的。印度同样曾经被西方强权压迫,同样被西方像垃圾一样对待,中国正在对印度做和西方国家曾经对印度做过的同样的事情。

Palash Jhamb
The West bullied us so lets be rude to everybody….
西方人欺负你所以你就对所有人都粗鲁….

Shawn Zhang 3 votes
Dude, I was born in 1993 too and I feel the same as what you wrote. Can't stop feeling powerful after this.
哥们儿,我也出生于1993年,我的感觉和你写的一模一样,看完之后充满了力量。

Yuvaraj Ganesan
Yes yes China wants to get back what it has lost!! that’s ridiculous. I has aggressively occupied Tibet,Back stabbing India ( when we Indians wer saying the slogan Indi-chini-bahi-bahi - means India and china r brothers) in 1962 without any formal war notification again a coward and aggressive movement. And Vietnam,Korea…etc and now south china sea…
好,好,中国要得到他失去的东西!!真荒谬。你们的侵略性,往印度背后捅刀子(当我们印度人还在喊口号Indi-chini-bahi-bahi,意思是中印人民亲兄弟),1962年在没有正式宣战的情况下,进行了懦弱和侵略性的行动。还有越南,韩国…等等,还有南海…

Busy Minds
While China understands the pain…why is it doing the same with other small countries. if it wants revenge..it can settle with USA. Your answer is not correct.
既然中国知道被侮辱的痛苦…为什么要对其他小国家做同样的事呢?如果想要复仇,找美国解决就行了。你的答案不正确。

Saumya Shikhar4 votes Show
China suffered so much under US pressure over the years that it is using the same tactics to target weaker countries?
NIce.
中国多年饱受美国压迫,所以用同样的方法对待更弱的国家?干得不错。

Bobby
As a Chinese,Thanks for what you have done.
作为一个中国人,谢谢你所写的内容。

Eve Yu
So proud for being a Chinese person
我很自豪我是中国人。




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中国又在印度后面捅刀子了。。。
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然而这些和中国对着干的所谓弱国无一不是美国唆使的
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打输的人永远只会认为自己是受侵略者
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三哥捅刀还佯装受害者
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有没有链接?
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本帖最后由 真.小猫在吃鱼 于 2016-7-26 20:44 编辑



三哥莫名心酸,为什么欺负印度?但答案会使三哥更心酸,虽然你们捂住了耳朵说不信。
我们甚至都不用中国的历史书来回答,澳大利亚记者内维尔·马克斯韦尔在访谈中表示1962年中印战争是尼赫鲁宣战的。
但是我知道,绝大多数印度人会不信,因为他们坚信自己学的历史,是中国侵略在先。但是为什么印度政府不敢公开关于1962的战争报告呢!
如果真是中国侵略,印度为什么不敢公开?现在的印度套中国话就是贼喊捉贼

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侵略个毛线,那么有侵略性还会收到国民赠送的钙片?
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Jackie Fall32 votes
When USA attacked China’s embassy,i was 9-year-old,I still remember my dad sat on bed with smoking,tears in his eyes,he said repeatedly:”Lagging behind leaves one vulnerable to attacks!”
当美国袭击中国大使馆时,那年我9岁,我依然记得我爸爸坐在床上抽烟,眼泪在眼睛里打转,他不断地说:”落后就要挨打!“

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看的我好难受 眼泪啊不争气~
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m2sms18136 发表于 2016-7-26 20:39
有没有链接?

链接已补上
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西方媒体的宣传还真是6,我们何来的侵略?侵略了谁?时不我待,老美已经开始针对兔子了,我们只是随机应变罢了
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比木鱼 发表于 2016-7-26 20:49
链接已补上

怎么看别人对这个答案的评论啊?怎么翻来翻去都找不到
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记者王冠说的对:这是地缘政治。

米国人是揣着明白装糊涂,他们很清楚在米国“重返”之前南海风平浪静,也正因如此,他们无法插足。2010年希拉里领导的国务院指挥媒体凭空制造出了南海争端,随后米国防长、希拉里、奥巴马相继访问东南亚,鼓吹共同遏华。除菲律宾外,各国都为配合米国,所以米军就亲自出场……

Quora上这些提问恐怕也是某种舆论战的一环。就像希拉里纠集米国互联网企业召开的网络干涉会议一样,公开声称用米国的互联网优势影响别国。
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m2sms18136 发表于 2016-7-26 20:59
怎么看别人对这个答案的评论啊?怎么翻来翻去都找不到



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m2sms18136 发表于 2016-7-26 20:59
怎么看别人对这个答案的评论啊?怎么翻来翻去都找不到

哦,原来要登陆才能看,没事了
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希望能有导演把银河号事件拍成电影。
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这是个物竞天择、弱肉强食的世界,没有攻击性或者说侵略性如何生存?
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炸大使馆时我是个屁都不懂的小学,就是听大人说美国炸了我们,我就跟生气,一个小女孩走在大街上对小伙伴愤慨的说“你们还在玩!美国都把我们炸了你们知不知道!”……一个从小就这么关心国家大事的我
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印度这帮笨蛋就没人想一下1962年中国还在闹饥荒。。。得多想不开才会在闹饥荒的时候侵略无人区玩啊
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话语权啊...哎
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我觉得应该声明:中国14个陆上邻国,6个海洋邻国,现在还有几个有领土纠纷?中国作为领国最多国家,能做到这步牺牲了多少?
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总有这种常识性问题都不知道的sb黑,到底还要说多少遍?现在除了印度,中国在陆地上和任何一个邻国都没有领土争议
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Quesion:Why is China so aggressive in its economic and foreign policy?
问题:为什么中国在经济和外交政策方面如此具有侵略性?



仙人掌把叶子进化成针状,只是为了省水份。你偏要一屁股坐上去,然后说,仙人掌具有侵略性?
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本帖最后由 五河士织 于 2016-7-26 23:18 编辑



虽然说核武的出现让大国日渐趋向于用“和平”手段解决问题。

但是还是那句话,你没实力谁听你说话。

然而我认为西方民众并不理解这一点,被所谓的皿煮人文关怀包围的他们已经失去了正确的认知。

至于三哥,你开心就好,反正你要求别人对你无条件的善意,自己还经常咄咄逼人。
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本帖最后由 peterandre 于 2016-7-26 23:45 编辑



其实吧,很多外国人理解对了,中国一旦强盛,必侵略!!
原因很简单,如果不侵略,后患无穷!因为我们在500年前吃了一个大亏,明代战船远比世界各国强大,但是我们太骄傲自满了
这个祸根种下,让中国人特别是近代100年遭受到了几乎毁灭性的打击。
我们这一代也许看不到,但是我们儿女和孙子一代肯定会走向侵略。
有人说只要军事经济比美国强大了,我们就是世界第一了。又会强盛几千年.
这个观点完全错误
我可以这样说,我们取代美国之日,就是我们以世界为敌之时。
看看地图就明白了,美国,加拿大,澳大利亚,俄国,欧洲,白种人的地盘有多大?中国的地盘有多大??
如果仅仅是安邦固守,迟早白种人会反扑,也就是说,中国如果取代美国,成为世界第一,地位是非常不稳的。
要想长久更繁荣稳定,中国这次肯定要主动出击,
澳大利亚。新西兰全国领土,加拿大全国领土,美国全国领土,俄罗斯三分之二到四分之三的领土,必须拿下,
控制地球的三极(西藏是一极)把欧洲人赶回欧洲,分裂印度,这样中国才能高枕无忧。
我始终认为,中国人的侵略性是隐藏起来的,现在也必须隐藏。关于俄国,中国如果世界第一了,俄罗斯肯定转向和西方合作,不用幻想!



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peterandre 发表于 2016-7-26 23:42
其实吧,很多外国人理解对了,中国一旦强盛,必侵略!!
原因很简单,如果不侵略,后患无穷!因为我们在50 ...

牛逼…………
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丛林法则,你弱就是被欺负的一方。90年代那几件事中国人,没人会忘记!
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西方人的虚伪一览无余
当他们强大的时候,欺凌掠夺屠杀,肆意侵略一切比他们弱的国家和民族
当他们统治世界了,就说这是应有的世界秩序,你们都要遵守,谁不顺从就是恶棍
当他们衰落了。无法再像以前一样欺辱一个以前被他们侵略掠夺的大国,
于是乎他们突然就变成了圣母,告诉你,你要以怨报德,慷慨大度,不能要回你家的东西,
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这回帖里去全是印度人在说。。。。。。。。印度人到现在还在说中国在背后用刀子,,,这脑洗的够彻底的·!
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这帖子中的中国人评论也是够可以的,看似挺正义,但简直就像默认了“侵略性”~~~~~~~~
我高度怀疑这是假中国人再用中国人的方式来作实中国的侵略性~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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